Thread:Grimmjay/@comment-2140588-20151006150242/@comment-2140588-20151006153516

Grimmjay wrote: <..> as a person who's been surfing Wiki's as a "reader only" for a very long time, out of that experience, I know what a reader is looking for precisely! And that's what I'm following. The comfort of the reader comes first. <..> That's the problem! You know how the wiki is run "as a reader". You simply don't have enough experience (for example, Saru has the most experience out of all of us here). As I see it now, you're envisioning your own design, not the designs of others. You're putting yourself in the shoes of the reader, not in the shoes of an editor, let alone an admin or a wiki establisher. At the end of the day, yes, the readers are the most important part, but I'd argue that convenience for editors (the community) is even more important. I don't want to talk egos (simply due to me having a huge one myself >_<) but your input on the wiki is as important as anyone else's; Nobody is lower, nobody is higher on the chart.

And I'm going to bring the comments section again, just because I give 0 f@#cks: Now that you said that (the thing in the quote), I see where are you coming from. You see yourself as a reader, hence you're doing what's convenient for an editor. But that's not convenient, nor professional for the wiki. In time, the section will become a trashbag for random comments that could instead be selected and u-turned to a single location (the forums). Not to mention the page length.

Templates and summaries: Templates are necessary, as the design of the wiki is what attracts the basic editors first, and encourages the growth of the wiki. Even simple templates (location and tool) make the exterior design look much more "official", think of it as sort of an eye-candy. Summaries DO NOT NEED to be extended; A single paragraph is plenty. '''This is the first time I'm bloody seeing this. IN ANY WIKI''' Like this is so absurd to me. It's obvious that, editors and not, will read the chapter first before spoiling themselves on the chapter.

An attempt to make it a "perfect wiki" might be a nice ambition, but it's your "perfect wiki"; not the reader's, nor other editor's. Everyone envisions a wiki differently.

Then gives us consensus for goddamn sake! :D And that includes the policies as well. You haven't even consulted others (not even mods and admins) regarding them. Also, bringing up the comments section again: TALK TO PEOPLE. We gave you way too many reasons to get rid of it, but yet you haven't just because you like it. I've surfed many wikis as well, and the forums are very successful in handling people: Even the souleater.wiki does it and promotes it, the majority, if not 85%, of the wikis promote forums. Because they're just that efficient and have the security that the comments section does not.

On an end note, please, be more... how to say it nicely... diplomatic. You're basing the entire wiki on your own design, and doing how it's convenient to you. But remember, people are different, while some like it this way, the others don't. Run a wiki like you would run a political campaign.

Honestly, be more diplomatic and don't base everything of what you want. Team-work and community interaction is key. If the majority wants the comments section removed of the summary being like this, then it should go with what the majority wants, as long as it makes sense and has consensus. An argument like "I can't bother reading the entire thing" is not a valid argument.

After reading the manual, drop your ideas and opinions and we'll discuss them and modify according to. When it comes to it, I can be a good judge of character. This won't happen if you'll continue acting like it, as you'll shoot everyone down who sees change differently than you do.